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 Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 10:22 pm Post subject: the ressurrection |
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i have copied this response from another forum to here so that i do not step on anyone's toes over there.
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Thanks again for taking the time to answer my post. One thing we can both agree; supernatural and science are not compatible (yet). Resurrection cannot be used as a refutation of this tomb in the scientific community. Since archaeology is a science, other criteria must be used to determine if this is or is not the tomb of the Jesus family. So far, every single fact I have read about could be proof that this is the real deal. Also, it seems to me that the Gospels were not written or at least were not translated by anyone familiar with the Galilee, Samaria or Judea.
You have stated that without the resurrection Jesus would be just another man without power to give salvation. I disagree! The truth is always more powerful or at least will always win out in the end. Surely animal sacrifice was not a requirement of God but of hungry priests. When Jesus willingly gave up his life to show people the true primitive nature of this ritual, then that is enough. No trickery needed. Personally, I feel that men needed a supernatural component and invented one. Because if Jesus was just a man then that means everyone has the power to change the world.
New theories and information about Jesus are being published almost daily. I just read today that the last supper was not Seder! It is heartening to see American Jews unafraid to publish scholarly material that contradict Christian tradition. But I don't see that courage in the IAA. My fear is that if something momentous is found that contradicts Christian dogma, the IAA will lose it or cover it up.
The Jesus I am searching for is the real deal. He was a Galilean Jew that preached peace - not a Greek warrior proclaiming victory in battle.
Kind regards,
Susan Burns
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| Quote: | | One thing we can both agree; supernatural and science are not compatible (yet). |
that is the fault of science and unbelievers not God's.
| Quote: | | Resurrection cannot be used as a refutation of this tomb in the scientific community. Since archaeology is a science, other criteria must be used to determine if this is or is not the tomb of the Jesus family |
this would be wrong for God and the truth do not bend for science, science and unbelievers must bend before God. the truth is not determined by science, the truth exists no matter which discipline or person discovers it or has it revealed to them. it does not matter if archaeology is a science or not, the truth does not follow scientific rules.
| Quote: | So far, every single fact I have read about could be proof that this is the real deal. Also, it seems to me that the Gospels were not written or at least were not translated by anyone familiar with the Galilee, Samaria or Judea.
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no, if you have read both sides of the story you would have seen that this tomb is not the real deal and the last sentence is just wrong. if you are applying your ideas to the gospels then you are using the wrong filter or criteria.
| Quote: | | You have stated that without the resurrection Jesus would be just another man without power to give salvation. I disagree! The truth is always more powerful or at least will always win out in the end. Surely animal sacrifice was not a requirement of God but of hungry priests |
yet the truth includes th eressurrection which you will dismiss because science can't study it. all the Bible speaks of the ressurrection and if it did not happen then the Bible lied and is not truth and Jesus did not change the world. but because He did rise from the dead, christianity thrives and unbelievers attack it continuously.
as for animal sacrifice, it was a requirement of God not hungry priests
| Quote: | Personally, I feel that men needed a supernatural component and invented one. Because if Jesus was just a man then that means everyone has the power to change the world.
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people do not knowigly follow lies. why would they follow an 'invented' God? once they found out it was non-existent they would go elsewhere. why do you think cults ad parts of the Bible to their false beliefs, because they needed some of the truth to deceive people. just like science does.
| Quote: | | New theories and information about Jesus are being published almost daily. I just read today that the last supper was not Seder! It is heartening to see American Jews unafraid to publish scholarly material that contradict Christian tradition. |
doesn't make them correct or even close to the truth. who cares if it was a seder or not? the type of meal is not germane to the message or the purpose of the event.
| Quote: | | My fear is that if something momentous is found that contradicts Christian dogma, the IAA will lose it or cover it up |
the IAA is NOT a christian organization,and would gain nothing by doing any 'cover-ups'. please get this idea out of your head.
| Quote: | The Jesus I am searching for is the real deal. He was a Galilean Jew that preached peace - not a Greek warrior proclaiming victory in battle.
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the peace Jesus of the Bible preached was a spiritual one not a physical one for He said people would be divided over His words. He was more than a galilean jew He was and is the Son of God. there is a big difference. |
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let me add the following, it is posted on another website by me and i brought it here to further the discussion:
just to add to the facts listed above, the empty tomb is solid evidence because people talk. the word would have gotten out that joseph of A. approached pilate and made his famous request.
this is news that would not be kept silent especially since joseph of A. was a member of the council. people would spread this because it was not a normal event or request. here is a leader of the ocmmunity sacrificing his tomb for a 'criminal'.
everybody would have known about it and known where the tomb. notice also in the biblical accounts, the pharisees andother religious leaders did NOT question the tomb's location, they knew where it was and placed a guard over it.
this act solidifed the location of the tomb and made sure everyone knew where it was and makingit so they could not question Christ's ressurrection |
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it seems that the above links removed the comment section from the articles posted so i must now reconstruct what i said in one.
" we know that the ressurrection was historical and and done beyond a shadow of a doubt for the following reasons:
1. people talk. doesn't matter if they are ancient or modern, surprise events make tongues come unglued. for example, a jewish leader offering his tomb for a 'criminal' was unheard of and peoplewould certainly have something to say about that.
2. Joseph of A. was a jewish leader, everyone would have known where His tomb was and would have talked about the burial.
3. the prophecy of Jesus would have been on everyone' smind andpeople would want to see proof of the event tus they would keep an eye out for any thing taking place. this woul dmake the theft of the body by the disciples impossible.
4. the jewish leaders set a guard (roman) over the tomb, ensuring that everyone knew where the tomb was and that everyone would know that the ressurrection actually took place. there could be no doubt in people's minds that the ressurrection was real. |
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the comments are bak at that website, here is the original version:
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just to add to the facts listed above, the empty tomb is solid evidence because people talk. the word would have gotten out that joseph of A. approached pilate and made his famous request.
this is news that would not be kept silent especially since joseph of A. was a member of the council. people would spread this because it was not a normal event or request. here is a leader of the ocmmunity sacrificing his tomb for a 'criminal'.
everybody would have known about it and known where the tomb. notice also in the biblical accounts, the pharisees andother religious leaders did NOT question the tomb's location, they knew where it was and placed a guard over it.
this act solidifed the location of the tomb and made sure everyone knew where it was and makingit so they could not question Christ's ressurrection. thus historically there is no doubt, the ressurrection was real and took place as described in the Bible.
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